Over the last couple of years, Gamers, games and Gaming have been under attack by several different sources, and now I bet that you wonder “attacked by who exactly?“. Well, that would include people like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoé Quinn and Briana Wu (GamerGate would fall into the middle of the mess). So no matter where people may stand on all of the above topics and people, there are a lot of parallels between that and Jack Thompson version 2.0. Furthermore, on top of all of this, there is the narrative that games are made only for kids…Not to mention the fact that it’s been said for decades of debate that video games cause real-life violence as well (the US psychology Professor Chris Ferguson does not agree on that matter).

The appropriate response to this was showing the ESA 2015 statistics. This clearly shows that the vast majority of gamers are adults in the age range of 18 – 35 and that the average age of game purchasers are between 35 and 37. Marking an absolute standpoint victory, but at the same time I see a major problem looking at these numbers. Because what these numbers show is that there is a sharp decline of gamers in the next generation, and this is not a good thing for an industry that makes over $90 billion annually. Adding to this mess is that there have been discussions on how family gaming or couch co-op is something that is dying out and isn’t important anymore. This was also seen as a slant against Nintendo back when the Switch had the code name “NX”.

However, in February the latest statistics for gamers was released, something of which puts my biggest worries about the industry to rest. You see, the 18 – 35 age group is no longer the majority, because that nr 1 position now belongs to the under 18 age group and the 50+ range coming in a close third. Furthermore, it is being shown that family gaming is on a massive rise to where it may very well become the largest population of gamers. In the matter of fact, 54% of gamers play with other people. So it’s of no big surprise that 53% feel that it helps connect with friends. In other words, we are all gamers after all =) And for some of us, we have been playing for 30 years or more.

Even so, what is surprising is that 42% of gamers see Gaming as a better way to connect with family or that on average 4.5 hours a week is played with couch co-op. That’s just the half of it though, because it doesn’t stop there. As 21% of gamers play with family members, 17% with parents, and 15% with their spouse/partner. This section of gaming may very well be worth billions of dollars, and really only one major developer has this as a focus.

Looking everything over on what had given me pause and some worry about where we are heading as fans and a community. I can now smile knowing that we are heading in the right direction. So no matter what politics we are consistently having to deal with, we are still here. Nevertheless, what is most important is that our community is not only growing and changing, it is that we are passing it on to our next generation =) And by doing this, we get to reconnect to what made us gamers in the first place. Sure, it may take a couple more generations to finally kill off the stereotype that we have had to fight for over three decades. So now I get to smile knowing that one day, we will, just by doing exactly what we have been doing this entire time. Kicking ass and chewing bubblegum.

And with that said, what’s your take on this matter? Let us know your thoughts in the comment section down below!

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Statista
Bigfish games
Chris Ferguson (psychology professor) interview

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  • Nephanor

    We have to remember that the ESA itself if a lobbying agency, and as such, they have their own agenda to fulfil. That is very obvious from their own usage of terms. They use “gamers” to describe anyone who plays a video game, whether it is a game of solitaire or grinding for hours in WoW or playing Call of Duty professionally. Also, they don’t delve into the “how much” they play or what game genres they play. They also don’t delve very deep into the divides, like what age/gender groups play what games, what devices by age/gender, how long they play, and such. If we had the full data, I get a feeling that we would see what we already know. Men make up a majority of the “serious” gamers (over an hour a day) and women make up a majority of the tablet/phone casual gamers. Older folks likely make up a majority of the solitaire players, etc. In the end, we aren’t going to get the truth until we have people who give us raw data, rather than convenient snippets of a study to push a narrative.

  • SevTheBear

    It’s good to hear that gaming is going the right way.

    Rip and Tear with the whole family. Some might get a heart attack, but it will be worth it B-) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e8553ac0650cbd345656d1f628fefdb1784c35ce1f2ca5c6dcd2536f4d3de15.jpg

  • So no matter what politics we are consistently having to deal with, we are still here

    Whilst I don’t disagree that gamers have been great for the most part, the politics is still an issue that needs to be eradicated, and it is a far bigger issue than what some people think it is. It’s not something we can just “ignore and they’ll go away” (I’m quoting the idiots who say this every time the issue of SJW ideologue politics in gaming is brought up).

    Because if politics takes full control of video games, they won’t be video games anymore, but instead turn out to be 100% indoctrination tools and propaganda for race, religious and feminist ideologues. They will dictate what is acceptable and unacceptable. And that’s what our next generation will be “playing”.

    The statistics show that gamers are heading the right way, but the video games themselves and the journalism are most definitely heading the WRONG way. For example, every Western video game that is revealed or released to the public is immediately under scrutiny by the SJW ideologues, for example Kotaku, Polygon, Rock, Paper, Shotgun, etc. just whining about how this is misogyny, how this is racist, etc… so what happens is that the developers and publishers see this and they have to self-censor their own game in order to not upset those SJW parasites. Authoritarianism like this just isn’t acceptable, and quite frankly it’s a disgrace.

    Call me a pessimist, I just don’t think gaming is going the right way. The gamers are, but the games themselves are not.

    • As we speak, people are getting locked up behind bars for having the wrong set of thoughts (1984 is here folks!). So, yes. We got a whole lot to fight for. I agree, today’s games “journalism” = Pure cancer.

      However, we try to do what we can to fight this, and the same thing goes for the SJW madness as well (including censorship).

      “Call me a pessimist, I just don’t think gaming is going the right way. The gamers are, but the games themselves are not.”

      – That’s another way to look at it yes, that’s also why we need to vote with our wallets more.

      • Junkbat

        LOL what? Who are you talking about when you say people are getting locked up for their “wrong thoughts?” I’m finding a lot of news where protesters, both liberal and conservative, are getting arrested. Most of it is over the fascism debate. What’s that have to do with gaming, exactly?

        • “LOL what? Who are you talking about when you say people are getting locked up for their “wrong thoughts?”

          – Internet policing, it’s very much real in Germany, Sweden and other countries.

          “I’m finding a lot of news where protesters, both liberal and conservative, are getting arrested.”

          – I wasn’t talking about any protesters. I was talking about writing or talking about subjects that are not allowed to be spoken about (just look at Canada).

          “Most of it is over the fascism debate. What’s that have to do with gaming, exactly?”

          – Fascism doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to be, and Antifa is a perfect example of that. As they are the real oppressors (they use violence and threats to silence people, not to mention that they cause a lot of damage to property wherever they go).

          Because that notion will be injected into the world of games as well. In Sweden they have started to censor books, movies and whatnot because it’s content might “offend” or “trigger” someone. So when a person or a group gets loud enough and starts pinning down the “fascist” card on a game, then the fun starts for real.

          • Junkbat

            Sheesh.

            I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you just sound crazy.

            You and other people who still take this “gamergate vs. sjw’s” thing seriously are living in their own little world. Take one step outside and you’ll just see that most people have a wide range of opinions that don’t fit into these two black and white sides you’ve concocted, and they all generally get along and come to reasonable compromises without Destroying Creativity or whatever you think is happening.

            As for your antifa rant, America and many other countries right now are loaded with people outright waving swastikas around, defacing Jewish people’s homes and saying they’re going to Make the World White Again. That’s pretty fucking fascist-sounding, and pretty fucking oppressive-sounding, if you ask any normal person. Might “antifa” go too far and hurt innocent people? Sure, but acting like there’s no actual fascist threat either is pretty delusional…and your concern that Gaming is going to be hurt next in the crossfire is just weird. Why is that even anywhere in your list of concerns.

            It’s like if they start talking about nuclear war you’re gonna be all “Oh no! That will melt my Xbox!”

          • “I mean this in the nicest way possible, but you just sound crazy.”

            – Is that so? I guess everything looks just perfectly fine in France, Germany, Sweden and the UK then.

            “You and other people who still take this “gamergate vs. sjw’s” thing seriously are living in their own little world.”

            – I would rather say that you have no clue about what’s going on or what’s at stake. So I take it that you’re a hardcore blue pill.

            ” Take one step outside and you’ll just see that most people have a wide range of opinions that don’t fit into these two black and white sides you’ve concocted”

            – You mean like Boogie2988? That’s always sitting on the fence and never picking a side. Normies never bother about anything until it affects them on a personal level, and then it’s far too late.

            “As for your antifa rant, America and many other countries right now are loaded with people outright waving swastikas around”

            – Really now? And who is it that hurts and kills people? Burning down houses, cars and whatnot? BLM and Antifa does that.

            “Make the World White Again”

            – I have the right to MY country and MY culture, just as much as black or Asian person have the right to theirs.

            “hat’s pretty fucking fascist-sounding, and pretty fucking oppressive-sounding, if you ask any normal person.”

            – Everything is racist and fascist-sounding today. Even candy, milk and ice cream is racist nowadays.

            “Might “antifa” go too far and hurt innocent people? Sure, but acting like there’s no actual fascist threat either is pretty delusional”

            – See my previous comment about BLM and Antifa.

            “and your concern that Gaming is going to be hurt next in the crossfire is just weird. Why is that even anywhere in your list of concerns”

            – Because I like games and Gaming? And because it’s my job.

            “It’s like if they start talking about nuclear war you’re gonna be all “Oh no! That will melt my Xbox!”

            – You do realize that Gaming is a huge platform right? And in the wrong hands it could be used as a propaganda platform.

          • Junkbat

            Okay, you’re way crazier than I thought.

            Nobody outside of your microcosm cares about this “blue pill red pill” reddit meme stuff. I never would have heard of it if you types didn’t go around categorizing everybody that way.

            I’ve heard your rants and raves, I’ve seen your callout posts and sources and receipts, and I’m telling you, there still isn’t anything at stake. The entire controversy you’ve helped build over The Ess Jay Dubyaz destroying games is a sham and I think you know this. Not only has nothing ever come of it, nothing ever even threatened to come of it. Instead, you hurt gaming yourself by creating so much drama over so little that outsiders are more likely to think we’re all idiots.

            The “make America White Again” thing isn’t about having pride in your culture, they are just plain people who hate all non-whites and believe whites should use force to control countries for themselves.

            The fact that you even have “normies” in your vocabulary says a lot about you. You’re like the Alex Jones of gaming here. You think the Reptilian Overlords are sneaking Lesbian Obamacare Agendas into your Zeldas or some shit. This is why we used to get bullied in school for being geeks. Your backwards priorities and inability to debate rationally are making it all worse for everybody again.

          • “Okay, you’re way crazier than I though”

            – Said the faceless and anonymous person from Melbourne, AU.

            “Nobody outside of your sub-sub-subculture cares about this “blue pill red pill” reddit meme stuff. I never would have heard of it if you types didn’t go around categorizing everybody that way.”

            – Is that so? Funny, because #GamerGate has been around since 2014, and videos and posts about the matter have had millions of views since then.

            “I’ve heard your rants and raves, I’ve seen your callout posts and sources and receipts, and I’m telling you, there still isn’t anything at stake.”

            – If that’s what you think, then I feel sorry for you.

            “Not only has nothing ever come of it, nothing ever even threatened to come of it. Instead, you hurt gaming yourself by creating so much drama over so little that outsiders are more likely to think we’re all idiots.”

            – Now I know for sure that you’re trolling. Like I said before, normies don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect them directly, but when it does it’s too late.

            “The “make America White Again” thing isn’t about having pride in your culture, they are just plain people who hate all non-whites and believe whites should use force to control countries for themselves.”

            – I see. I’ve never heard about that one before. So I can’t comment on it.

            “The fact that you even have “normies” in your vocabulary says a lot about you. You’re like the Alex Jones of gaming here. You think the Reptilian Overlords are sneaking Lesbian Obamacare Agendas into your Zeldas or some shit. This is why we used to get bullied in school for being geeks. You’re making it all worse for everybody again.”

            – This really says a lot about your lack of intelligence. Really? I guess that’s why game developers, publishers and artists alike have pointed out this problem since the very start of #GamerGate. It’s already in the games, just look at MEA. Now I’m starting to understand why Australia is going down the loo, you guys have become just as SJW/cuck infected as Canada and Sweden. Sad!

          • Junkbat

            /screwed up editing this but you quote it all anyway in your response so whatever

          • “Millions of views eh? So does Spongebob Youtube Poop.”

            – You said that it was a little niche of people. I gave you a response, and you came back to me with that.

            “I still can’t think of a single game that’s been hurt by any of this stuff you’re so paranoid over. What is it you think these “SJW’s” would cause to gaming if unchecked? What are games you feel they’ve polluted in some way with some kind of “propaganda?””

            – Have fun 😉

            http://thegg.net/?s=Censorship
            https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFItIX8SIs4zqhJCHpbeV1A

            “Certainly there are people who go way overboard panicking over racism or sexism in the media, but you aren’t any different from them at all. You just go hard in the opposite direction, refusing to allow any moderate or rational discussion on issues of race or sexuality in our hobby.”

            – Don’t play out that card thanks, it’s been overused. MSM and the established Gaming press have been pushing that narrative 24/7 for years, while smaller sites like us try to give the bigger picture of things (the uncensored truth). Bullshit, people are free to say whatever the hell they want on our site. Furthermore, we question everything.

            “The moment someone has any opinion on those things you have to accuse them of being psycho SJW’s no matter how mild their statements.”

            – That’s because most of them are psycho, and I would know since I have had to deal with them in real life (yes, they like violence a lot).

            “Like, how do you really feel? Does it actually bother you when characters in games are black or gay or something? ”

            – Game developers should be able to create what they want. So if the story, character and game is good, then it’s all cool with me.

            “Or female but without fanservice?”

            – A female character doesn’t have to offer any fanservice, and it’s up to the developer if they want to add that into the game or not.

            “Those have all been present in games since before these debates. Why is it only just now that you call them “SJW stuff” and sound like you’re against them entirely?”

            – Because they are pure cancer to the industry, and MAE and Mighty no 9 are perfect examples of that (just to name a few).

            “Are there “diverse” characters you ever do like? Do you even judge them as characters instead of as this political statement you imagine them as?”

            – Yes, see the following posts by me:
            http://thegg.net/general-news/black-female-video-game-characters-that-i-love/
            http://thegg.net/general-news/an-open-love-letter-to-female-game-characters-the-past-present-and-future/

          • Junkbat

            Where was this SJW stuff in Mighty no. 9 and Mass Effect? I’ve seen people cite the presence of gay people in ME and that’s about it.

            How do you personally even judge this whole “creators should be free to do what they want” thing? What are your parameters? How do you know if a creator does sincerely want to load their game up with ethnic diversity or is just “pandering?” I feel like you have a bias to see things as leftist propaganda by default.

          • “Where was this SJW stuff in Mighty no. 9 and Mass Effect?”


            http://thegg.net/opinion-editorial/mighty-no-9s-former-cm-appears-to-have-been-trying-to-inject-sjw-and-feminist-politics-into-mn9/
            http://thegg.net/opinion-editorial/why-does-mass-effect-andromedas-female-characters-look-so-ugly-bioware-sjwi-design-101/

            “How do you personally even judge this whole “creators should be free to do what they want” thing? What are your parameters? How do you know if a creator does sincerely want to load their game up with ethnic diversity or is just “pandering?” I feel like you have a bias to see things as leftist propaganda by default.”

            – There’s this beautiful thing called “the free market”, people vote with their wallets. So in the case with MEA, Bioware lost tons of money due to their SJW agendas (it was also because the game was anything but great). Well, if someone wants to make a game about cocks (which “Genital Jousting” did), then the devs should be able to do that.

            However, just like in the case with free speech, people should also be free to criticize you if you create something bad or whatever. So it’s a two-way street, but if we go full censorship and SJW mode, then creators will have to narrow down their creativity just because some people get offended or triggered.

            I for one don’t like dance games, but does that mean that all dance games should be forbidden? (let’s say that I have been offended by dancing).

            “I feel like you have a bias to see things as leftist propaganda by default.”

            – I see things as they are, and this comes from a person who have lived through Sweden’s best years and now seeing the down fall of a nation.

          • Junkbat

            How in the world are any of those female characters in Mass Effect “ugly” or “manly” looking? They look like any other women in any other game or movie, except that the actual CG modeling is flawed and tacky – something that’s true of a vast majority of realistically styled games. This is the biggest reach I’ve ever read and if you hadn’t just presented it to me as an argument, I’d think it was a joke article.

            The Mighty no 9 stuff also looks like silly paranoia on your part. Would a robot character’s gender have actually made the game worse for you? I doubt it, so you’re just nitpicking

          • “How in the world are any of those female characters in Mass Effect “ugly” or “manly” looking? They look like any other women in any other game or movie”

            – No, they don’t:
            https://kek.gg/i/5nRvmq.jpg

            So stop talking bs.

            “This is the biggest reach I’ve ever read and if you hadn’t just presented it to me as an argument, I’d think it was a joke article.”

            – And yet I was right about everything. Bioware is just a support studio now. Why? Because EA lost tons of money on MEA.

            “The Mighty no 9 stuff also looks like silly paranoia on your part. Would a robot character’s gender have actually made the game worse for you? I doubt it, so you’re just nitpicking there.”

            – Please try again:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3SuLs7trNU
            http://thegg.net/?s=Mighty+No+9

          • Junkbat

            What is the difference supposed to be between those two renders other than CD Projekt having more extreme contrast and shine, exactly? What’s the problem you’re seeing with the first woman’s design other than a lack of stylization? You’re just weirding me out here, like you expect me to notice something wrong with one fingernail and share your dramatic levels of disgust.

            And, again, not seeing anything about Mighty no. 9 that affects gameplay or threatens gaming in general.

          • “What is the difference supposed to be between those two renders other than CD Projekt having more extreme contrast and shine, exactly? What’s the problem you’re seeing with the first woman’s design other than a lack of stylization?”

            – Are you blind or just acting stupid?

            “You’re making yourself look even more preposterous here, like I’m supposed to share your disgust over some character’s fingernail being wrong or something.”

            – The pictures and movies from each game speak for itself. Ugly characters, animations and designs Vs none ugly characters, animations and designs.

          • Junkbat

            Let’s say I’m stupid so you can indulge me and explain why the first woman’s design offends you or demonstrates some kind of political agenda, please. She’s dull and poorly rendered but how is that political?

          • I have already been through that topic with you.

          • Junkbat

            Again, how the hell do you get “SJW politics” from the fact that you don’t find the game’s women as attractive as other games? That’s pretty damn subjective and the difference is extremely subtle to me. Neither of your examples are my type if that’s what we’re judging here.

          • Read the post again. The whole team was full of SJW’s and untalented folks. In the matter of fact, one of them is a full-blown racist.

          • Junkbat

            We aren’t talking about the team, we’re talking about the game, and nothing about the final product says “SJW game” to me, especially not when one of your main arguments for that is “I think the girls in it look like boys” or something. For someone concerned with professionalism in gaming journalism that’s a pretty unprofessional and biased reach.

            The game is bad because AAA titles and especially their sequels have always been grossly hit or miss and usually “miss.” Look how terrible the majority of Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy and countless others became. It’s not “political,” it’s the bankruptcy of talent that’s been spreading through the industry for most of our lifetimes. Nobody thinks outside the box.

            Chalking every single thing you don’t like up to Liberals vs. Conservatives or whatever is lunacy.

          • Junkbat

            When I say “refusing to allow moderate or rational discussion” I guess what I mean is you refuse to meet it with respect. You just immediately think in terms of “us vs. the SJW cuck demons” and don’t want to consider another side to anything. If you did so respectfully you would probably find lots of common ground and realize you want a lot of the same things – creative effort that isn’t just a studio cramming whatever sells into a title as an afterthought.

    • KSE1977

      Also bear in mind that while the editorial boards and writing staff for game sites is almost all left-leaning, there is very little evidence to suggest that true SJW folks actually buy games. That folks who actually care about those issues are out in droves purchasing games. My strong suspicion is that mainstream gamers just want to play games, have fun and escape reality. They are not concerned with the representation of Transgender characters in Dragon Age or Mass Effect. My guess is that the overwhelming majority of gamers don’t care about these issues is regards to gaming. Recent studies seem to suggest that ESPN’s woes, despite their insistence otherwise, have something to do with their overt SJW activism by on-air talent. Again an area where most people just want to enjoy a game and take their mind off of their lives and the issues facing them. Some folks seem bound and determined to remove the fun from everything around them.

      • totenglocke

        The problem is that, overall, gamers still buy those SJW laden games. Sure, the ones that have absolutely nothing but SJW propaganda will fail (like Dear Esther), but Dragon Age is a successful franchise and the failure of Mass Effect: Andromeda was because of bugs / horrible character models and not the political crap. The quick and easy solution, which gamers will never do because too many think they’ll “literally die” if they don’t play the latest AAA game, is for all gamers to just flat out refuse to buy the next big SJW themed AAA game and blow up Facebook Twitter, forums, email, etc letting the developer and publisher know WHY they’re not buying it. While it isn’t a AAA game (these days), after the massive backlash over Beamdog’s DLC for Baldur’s Gate and their horrendous SJW content (including explicit attacks against anyone opposed to SJWs ruining games), they at least seem to have not inserted any SJW shit into their enhanced edition of Plancescape: Torment….so maybe they’re slowly learning that SJW bullshit doesn’t sell.

        I suggested the same things in regards to DRM, day 1 DLC, microtransactions, etc….but idiots will always buy things despite the fact that skipping ONE GAME would improve all future games.

        • Junkbat

          What. In fuck’s name. Are you on about.

          What the holy shit makes Dragon Age “an SJW game” because some text made a character trans? How does that upset you so much? What the hell made Mass Effect an SJW game? Since when have ANY AAA games been full of “sjw stuff” and not just normal content?!

          What are you defining as SJW content? The race and gender of characters? So you’re basically saying those are things you would want to boycott a game over.

          You’re a loon.

          • totenglocke

            “How are these SJW games?! They only have massive amounts of the story focused on forcing absurd SJW propaganda in your face!”

            Do you think before you type?

            Edit: I just looked at your name. Based on our previous conversations, I’m pretty sure that you’re not even capable of thinking, period. Your comments across every article I’ve seen show that you’re exactly what’s wrong with the gaming industry these days.

          • Junkbat

            Describe and explain the “sjw propaganda” that takes up story in Dragon Age, I couldn’t find anything.

            Also, I am not the same Junkbat that hangs out on any other websites, I’ve been using the name on the web since before there was a Junkrat. (I have never played Overwatch)

          • Don’t waste your time on that person:
            http://thegg.net/opinion-editorial/the-next-generation-of-gamers-the-time-of-change-is-upon-us/#comment-3407278395

            He has dropped tons of bs comments of that kind.

          • Junkbat

            Sorry you don’t like hearing a neutral (i.e. normal, sane) perspective.

          • “Normal” and “sane” in comparison to what? By your own standards? I have debunked your comments all day long, and yet you come back with more bs.

          • Junkbat

            All I’m saying is that you overreact and obsess over nothing that should be such a big deal, and in doing so, give needless publicity to figures who would have otherwise never been famous. But I guess you’ve been hearing that for years from all kinds of people, huh?

          • I’ve been a Gamer since the late 80s. I have worked in the games industry since 2005. I have written about games since 2007. I live in Sweden. So trust me pal, I have noticed the changes. So don’t tell me that I overreact. Furthermore, the “SJW” problem (s) that doesn’t exist according to you.

            Please, go ahead and tell me what’s going on with the English dubs in the world of Anime, because Funanimation has injected the SJW cancer into Dragon Maid.

          • Junkbat

            *shrug* I don’t watch anime, sorry.

            I just googled “dragon maid sjw” and didn’t find anything. On a side note, this show looks stupid. This has serious fans?

          • Aiight, funny, because this is the first page that shows up when you Google that:
            https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/6l6d5n/dub_writers_using_characters_as_ideological/

            Millions of fans.

          • Junkbat

            You sure are defensive of this one cartoon.

          • Anime, not cartoon. I like the show, and I defend what I like.

          • Junkbat

            I like to say cartoon specifically because die-hard otaku are always bothered enough to “correct” it.

            You realize, of course, that the very term “anime” in Japan is applied to all animation though, yeah? Even Scooby-doo and Simpsons.

          • No, anime is anime, and cartoon is cartoon. That’s the same reason why you don’t compare comics to Manga.

          • Junkbat

            Potato, potahto. I think there’s a lot of things you need to relax about.

          • Junkbat

            I’ve been a gamer for that long myself. I don’t know what version of the world you were living in, but gaming culture as I remember it was a place where people already *always* debated openly, as far back as Nintendo Power columns, on things like the stereotypical portrayal of female characters or whether a comedy game’s jokes were sensitive or not.

            That was always a normal part of things, and it caused no harm. Sometimes creators thought about it and did some things different. There’s nothing wrong with that. It’s just the normal relationship between artist and audience.

            It was only in the last five or six years, just completely out of the fucking blue, that guys like you formed this angry, vicious movement to block anything you painted as “political correctness,” and with a damn broad brush at that.

            To me, and to any rational level-headed person, everything was fine and going to keep being fine until you flipped out with rage over nothing, over perfectly ordinary people having ordinary opinions you just didn’t exactly share, and you try to justify it all by claiming those opinions are actually new or unusual or having any negative impact on creators.

            You think you’re still fighting against Jack Thompsons, yet you’re the Jack Thompsons. You’re the ones attacking people over imagined slippery slopes while everybody else is doing just fine creating, consuming and debating. I think that’s all I really have to say to you….and I think years from now, you’re going to look back on all this and agree.

          • Junkbat

            That doesn’t explain in what way they were altered or how this is a new trend when localization for content has been going on since I was a baby.

          • Junkbat

            Did you and I really grow up in the same three decades? They used to change blood into sweat and flip their shit if a female character even HAD breasts.

            Now we can buy games where you slice up bleeding tit demons, a game where you can bang whores and murder cops still rakes in millions in spire or *because of* the controversy, and you’re still upset because one in a thousand games get some cuts here and there? It’s a minor annoyance at worst. You seem to know slippery slope arguments are a fallacy when others use them.

          • Junkbat

            I’d also like to point out how Censored Gaming goes back to the 80’s, so if anything, it’s proving my point that this has always gone on, rather than your point that it’s a symptom of some growing SJW insanity.

            It also points out how games get censored in some places for having LGBT characters. Isn’t that a tad bit more serious than one naked breast or blackface removed from something or whatever you think SJW’s have caused?

          • “I’d also like to point out how Censored Gaming goes back to the 80’s”

            – So what? Back then you could import uncensored games, now we might not even be able to do that. I’m not a fan of censorship in general. So when something gets removed, it’s not a good thing.

          • Junkbat

            but you’re turning it into a whole new, rabid fearmongering crusade where you think, and want everyone else to think, that there’s a new, unique, and particularly dangerous movement of people advocating censorship, and you seem to lump all critics you disagree with into that.

            When someone says they don’t like something, you immediately conclude they intend to censor it, when most critics I’ve seen just hope their criticisms encourage new ideas in the future.

            Your subculture’s obsession with “SJW’s” seems a lot like America’s obsession with “The Commies” back in the day. You don’t know exactly what or who they are but you’re certain they’re everywhere, lurking, that there’s more operating in secret than the open, that they’re all exactly the same stereotype, and everyone is either with them and against you or with you and against them, black and white like.

          • “but you’re turning it into a whole new, rabid fearmongering crusade where you think, and want everyone else to think, that there’s a new, unique, and particularly dangerous movement of people advocating censorship, and you seem to lump all critics you disagree with into that.”

            – No, I don’t. However, since I’ve seen what Sweden has turned itself into in a very short period of time. I feel like I have the right to be highly suspicious about stuff like that (candy, ice cream, movies and even children’s books are now being censored).

            “When someone says they don’t like something, you immediately conclude they intend to censor it, when most critics I’ve seen just hope their criticisms encourage new ideas in the future.”

            – Again, that tends to lead to censorship where I’m from. People can criticize me, my opinions and ideas as much as they want to.

            “Your subculture’s obsession with “SJW’s” seems a lot like America’s obsession with “The Commies” back in the day. You don’t know exactly what or who they are but you’re certain they’re everywhere, lurking, that there’s more operating in secret than the open, that they’re all exactly the same stereotype, and everyone is either with them and against you or with you and against them, black and white like.”

            – Communism kills, Commis kill. Read some history, you might learn something from it (Communism and Islam are now best buddies in the West, and it’s going to end just as badly as it did in Iran).

            “u don’t know exactly what or who they are but you’re certain they’re everywhere, lurking, that there’s more operating in secret than the open,”

            – I know exactly who they are, because it doesn’t take long to figure out what they are all about. Then you got those to take SJWism to another level by using real-life violence against those who they don’t agree with.

          • Junkbat

            You misunderstand. Back during the commie scare America became so paranoid that everyday, ordinary people were suspected of communism, outed and sometimes arrested if they even just had unusual hobbies, odd sleeping hours, anything to arouse suspicion of being different. Everyone was certain that anybody who wasn’t 100% patriotic was effectively a commie sympathizer and bent on destroying everything.

            This is what you’re doing with the “sjw” label. As soon as someone doesn’t adhere exactly to your own politics you’re certain you’ve got them pegged, by your own admission even. That’s insanity. That’s completely unreasonable. Your definitions of what constitutes an “sjw” are broad enough to fit far too many people and your hatred of anything that even smells a little like “political correctness” goes way, way too far. It’s cringeworthy to watch in action. You’re like a street preacher ranting about the devil and witches everywhere.

          • Junkbat

            P.S. here’s something REALLY strange to me:

            You linked me your article on your favorite female characters, you talked about how cool they were, how their gender didn’t bog them down and wasn’t stereotypical and a lot of other stuff that shows you do have opinions on that topic.

            But, there are many people you’ve called SJW’s and various insults because they felt a female character was not good.

            Do you see what’s weird here?

            You’re apparently fine with discussing character gender exclusively when it’s praise. If an opinion is negative on this issue, then it’s an “SJW” one.

            Don’t you think that’s weird and unfair? To construct an environment where anyone without a pleasant, agreeable sentiment on that one subject is treated like an idiot and enemy to you?

            Or am I missing instances in which you actually did feel female characters could be badly executed or utilized? Is it only *certain* things about them you deem “okay” to be critical of or what?

            I don’t strongly care about the subject in either direction – I don’t mind characters as sex objects or anything – but as that impartial outsider, I think you’ve built an extremely biased scenario here.

          • Junkbat

            You’re not even making your own case for me anymore, but linking me shit that answers nothing.

            Don’t you have answers of your own, off the top of your head, if this is something SO important to you? Or is it just a largely fabricated, forced culture war like it appears to be?

          • “You’re not even making your own case for me anymore, but linking me shit that answers nothing.”

            – Two Japanese Gamers lists problems with SJWs and censorship, yet you claim “answers nothing”.

            “Don’t you have answers of your own, off the top of your head, if this is something SO important to you? Or is it just a largely fabricated, forced culture war like it appears to be?”

            – Sure:
            http://thegg.net/?s=Censorship
            http://thegg.net/?s=SJW

          • Junkbat

            My last response to you summarizes how I feel reading these articles.

            I see a very sad individual desperate for something to go on a crusade about, grasping at little straws to try and prove games are being held up to somehow more scrutiny than before.

          • Until stuff that you like gets taken away from you. I have given you tons of fact, videos and whatnot to back that up. Still, you go on like before.

          • Junkbat

            What has been taken away thus far? I can still buy and play anything I want, any version of it.

          • See previous links and videos that I gave you. I’m not paid to be your damn guide.

          • Junkbat

            The more I read your opinions on “SJW’S” the stronger I feel about everything I’ve said to you. I thought of myself as just a moderate, but you’re making me sympathize more and more with your perceived enemies.

            Many of the people you call “SJW’s” for their media criticisms are still fans who still consume the things they criticize, which is perfectly normal. Doesn’t everyone talk about how the things they like could be more appealing to them or handle things better? Is that not what absolutely all of us are supposed to do as fans? You’re just getting angry and making it a political war when you don’t have the same criticisms as your fellow gamers, that’s all. It’s silly and pointless.

          • Whatever you say man. Good for you, sleep in the fire for all I care. HAHA! Let me guess. You’re a fan of Queen Anita? I have already proven my point, and devs and publishers have already stated that it’s a problem. So keep on dreaming boyo.

      • Junkbat

        I can’t believe I’m witnessing one of these conversations for real.

        There are no “sjw’s.” it’s a buzz-word for people whose opinions you don’t like, and the kinds of opinions they have are pretty ordinary. “Racism is bad” isn’t a radical idea. Maybe some people go overboard categorizing things as racist, but I don’t see any way in which that’s really affected gaming products. You’d have to be an idiot to think so.

        • KSE1977

          Lol love how some people cannot enter a debate without name calling. Really, there are no SJWs? There wasn’t an SJW explosion over the trans characters dialogue in Mass Effect? Get over it. If you don’t see it,it is because you choose not to. If all SJWs wanted to say is that racism is bad, folks would all back that. But then that is not enough, SJWs start going on and on about privilege. Start calling anybody who disagrees with them racist, sexist, islamophobe and xenophobes. I would not consider people who attack anybody who dares disagree with them so hatefully, pretty ordinary. Get over it, putting your head in the sand does not make these things not exist or ordinary.

          • I guess that’s why Dragon Maid and Batman is all messed up now (nope, SJWs don’t exist, it’s just a “buzz word”):
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9P4NBW1aHM&t=1s
            https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/6l6d5n/dub_writers_using_characters_as_ideological/

          • KSE1977

            Oh well, if you say so, it must be collective delusions that have spread tales of she stuff. I am not sure there is any use in trying to debate that kind of mindset. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree.

          • I’m sorry. That comment was for Junkbat, and It was meant to be sarcastic. So I agree with what you said previously to Junkbat.

          • KSE1977

            Lol, I had to go back and re-read it all. Lol sorry i missed that 😀

          • No problem man =) I was on my Ipad, so I accidentally made a response to you instead of Junkbat.

          • Junkbat

            1) Dragon Maid is a pedophile anime nobody should care about in the first place.

            2) What part of Batman White Night is “social justice?” The fact that he’s up against a politician version of the Joker? Politicians have been villains in superhero shit since the beginning.

          • 1) Dragon Maid is a pedophile anime nobody should care about in the first place.

            – Nope, please take your medication and go to bed.

            2) What part of Batman White Night is “social justice?” The fact that he’s up against a politician version of the Joker? Politicians have been villains in superhero shit since the beginning.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9P4NBW1aHM&t=1s

          • Junkbat

            How in the world does this video answer me? All I see is a poser fan complaining about “political themes” that have absolutely always been injected into superheroes. Batman has always explored problems with vigilantism and the like. There’s nothing “social justice” about it, or about (according to his personal interpretation) satirizing a controversial president.

            Where’s the “forced diversity” in comics, too? They have always been diverse, and still not as diverse as regular real life.

            You have GOT to be feeding me hyperbole at this point, everything you seem to think is “crazy social justice” is completely normal and harmless. You’re seeing it in things no rational person would see it.

          • Are you retarded or just playing stupid? I’m done with your shit.

          • Junkbat

            Why would it be stupid of me to point out that he’s reaching INCREDIBLY far?

            What part offends him? That the Joker sounds kind of like Trump? That’s not “social justicey,” we hate Trump all the way over here. He’s fucking terrifying. Any normal person should be scared shitless that you put a guy who rages on twitter and can barely speak coherently in charge of the planet’s deadliest military power.

            If he upset that the tables are turned on Batman and he’s treated as the threat? That’s been explored since day one of superhero comics.

            Is he upset because blacklivesmatter and other real-world issues are mentioned? Again, that’s been par for the course for superheroes, always.

            What does he mean about the “forced diversity?” What do YOU ever mean about it? When is it “forced” and what effect does that have? When have you ever really looked at something with like, multiple races and sexualities in it and thought “this is unrealistic pandering?” Really? Isn’t that any line at the grocery store?

          • Junkbat

            And if Dragon Maid isn’t pedophilic, why does it appear to be a harem anime with women ranging from adulthood to preschool?

          • The anime is pedophilic because of that? Then I take it that girl schools are pedophilic as well? And since you’re from Australia, I would worry more about the real-life pedo crap that one particular religion spreads.

          • Junkbat

            Isn’t most if not all religion like that? We don’t like it any more than you do.

            Wiki says, however, that the age of consent is still generally treated as 18 in Japan (I think it should be 18-20 universally), so yes, if an anime is using 15 year old schoolgirls for sex appeal I have to at least raise an eyebrow at adult fans, especially those living in other countries, let alone when they go out of their way to flash a little toddler-like character’s panties. The fact that it’s so commonplace in anime doesn’t mean it’s fine.

          • Nanya

            …You’re either trolling or a true believer.

            Maid Dragon is not a pedophile anime. The one you’re looking for is Boku no Pico.

            Either way, your comments have outed you as a SJW.

            Good day.

          • Junkbat

            My comments are those of any normal, reasonable person. I’m in the middle, where healthy people go and can discuss both sides of these subjects without wanting to murder each other. You’re so far in one direction that you think a moderate is an “SJW” – a term you invented yourself anyway.

            Before you forced this extreme divide, regular people were able to talk about game content and issues of politics/social stuff civilly for years.

          • Nanya

            No, you aren’t using comments of normal, rational people. The mere fact that you think Maid Dragon is a pedophile anime proves it.

          • Junkbat

            The only explosion over trans characters that I’m aware of are conservative Christians getting angry that they exist in anything.

            You say you would be fine with people calling out actual racism but then you go on to act like it’s MUCH more common for it to be thrown around unfairly, and….it isn’t. Sorry. Actual racism is still a shitload more common than false accusations of it. /pol/ and stormfront people are fucking everywhere now and no longer even trying to hide who they are.

        • Nanya

          SJWs are real.
          Their opinions are not ordinary.
          You know the whole “Mizzou” protests?
          Done by SJWs.

          • Junkbat

            I don’t even know what word “Mizzou” is. You guys are fighting battles nobody else is crazy enough to care about.

          • Junkbat

            Oh, Missouri.

            So you just lump every single loosely liberal movement into “SJW” now? Any time people are unhappy over any kind of discrimination that’s “SJW’s” and you don’t believe there’s ever any instance in which racism is actually a problem or anything?

            People have reason to be sensitive about race, especially right now. Even in my own city we’ve got people painting Swastikas everywhere for the first time in my lifetime. They want to rise up and kill our natives, and while they’re at it, they want regular black people and asian people to leave. It should be no wonder at all that there are massive protests on all sides, all over the world lately, shit is hitting the fan and it’s not because of some tumblr fad you obsess over.

    • Junkbat

      What the hell are you even talking about? You one of those guys who thinks the new Wolfenstein is oppressive to nazis or something?

      I don’t see any of what you’re talking about. There is no problem with censorship lately. Developers have been putting whatever content they feel like into games and never suffering until something’s actually wrong with the gameplay itself, so, business as normal.

  • Junkbat

    Why are you still publishing stuff like this when everybody knows it was a load of shit to begin with? Come on. Mediocre bloggers like Sarkeesian are no more a threat to games than a few negative reviewers on Rotten Tomatoes, and never were. I can’t even figure out what it was you were afraid of, since for all their bad opinions, they still never said anything that threatened to damage our hobby or should have worried anybody. You just let those opinions get to you and went way, way overboard with melodrama. None of these people would ever even have been famous if Gamergate hadn’t artificially elevated them into icons this way.

    Can you name for me a single game that has been damaged by the existence of these “political discussions” in the last fifteen years? Of course not. I guess you think that’s because you won the fake war against these fake enemies, but any idiot can see there was no danger to begin with.

    Gaming won’t heal and mature until you get over your phobia of “politics” and the ordinary media criticism that every medium experiences.

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