A recent article came out by a collaboration force of Iowa State University, University Grenoble Alpes and Universite Savoie Mont Blanc of France talking about sexism and video game exposure in adolescents. As one may expect, based on the first sentence which reads, “Research has indicated that many video games are saturated with stereotypes of women and that these contents may cultivate sexism,” there is an immediate problem. They do not define what “saturated with stereotypes” means, or cite any sources that do so.

Also considering they say that “[W]hile the proofs of biased depictions in video games showing women as passive beings, kidnapped princess to rescue or sex objects to win or use are numerous and indisputably recorded, their effect on gamers’ stereotypes of women remains debated” (page 2), it’s clear they’ve no real knowledge of video games as one could list countless names such as Bayonetta, Samus Aran, Lara Croft, or more recently, 2B as old and new examples of women in video games that do not set any sort of stereotype. Though these female characters can be counted as sex objects, they do not fit the example of being won or used. As such, this makes it clear that the writers of this article are unfamiliar with even the most popular examples of strong women in video games.

For the record, this is just the first two pages, and already it’s clear that this article is looking for confirmation bias. They later restate the idea of women being portrayed as needing help or being used while remaining passive while also stating that over a quarter of games contained women who were shown off as sex objects (based on an article written in 1998). Again, the article fails to define their terms, and as such they can be taken as terms defined by the writers’ subjectivity. Another example of terms not being defined comes in when they say that “Other more recent content analysis showed that women are often displayed with revealing clothing or at least partially nude” (page 3-4) without determining what “often” means. Out of 1,000 games, one may say that 100 or 200 is “often” given one’s own subjectivity.

tomb raider lara croft

According to the people who wrote this article, Lara Croft isn’t in any game (Source: http://alliejacques.deviantart.com/art/Lara-Croft-Tomb-Raider-Reborn-Contest-358973433).

Considering that this point is now driven into the ground, I can skip all the subjective bull crap and look straight at the data. According to their data, they broke down their 13,520 French youths (age 11-19) into religious groups, to add another variable in their data. In their sample, 27.4% of them were Catholics, 25.9% were Muslims, 39.4% declaring no religion, and the remainder being religious minorities. When it came down to their Sexism measurements, it appears as if they only asked one question in their entire study (page 12).

The only question they asked their sample was: “A woman is made mainly for making and raising children,” and the answer ranged on a scale of 1-4, fully disagree to fully agree (page 12). Granted, there were other questions, which were used. However, they were there specifically to determine religious status, socioeconomic status, and other factors that had no measurement for sexist thought. The 1-4 scale is a very broken scale. On top of one question relating to sexist thought being unable to determine whether someone is sexist or not. What they found was that those in the sample whose religion was important to them, again on another 1-4 scale; higher sexism was found. The same appears for those in poorer socioeconomic status. As a matter of fact, by their own numbers, video game exposure was almost half as likely, by their own broken scale, to be associated with sexism (r = .23; p.<.001 for religion and r = .15, p.<.001 for video games). Without giving a statistical analysis as to what this means, what it tells us (based on this ONE question, mind you) that while both are positive in favor of their theory of sexist thought in both cases, religion is far more likely to be connected or more strongly correlated than video games are.

2b nier automata art

Remember how upset people were to play as 2B? Me neither (Source: http://www.deviantart.com/art/2B-653400420).

Nevertheless (despite the very weak connection) the authors insist that the link is there, and that it is an idea worth further experiments. Considering the clear majority of their sample listed as playing video games often, the numbers given to us on pages 11 and 12, the average for hours spent playing video games was 1.7 hours per day, and gave a scale of 0-10. Not only is the scale wonky and unclear (as the paragraph before the table does not include 0, but the table does), but 1.7 hours a day is extremely low for gamers. As a gamer, myself, I’ll sit at a TV and play video games for at minimum four-hour periods per day, if my schedule allows for it.

As such, I feel as though the experiment should have done elsewhere, such as the United States, where you can easily get a bigger demographic of people, but even then, the study is completely broken. Furthermore, there is a stronger correlation of people with strong ties to religion than there are people who play video games, and when you have over half (53.3% if you just count Catholics and Muslims) of your study show strong religious ties when your study suggests that people with strong religious ties are more likely to tip the scale, you are going to get extraordinarily skewed results.

I will list a few areas where this study is weak:
– Study shows religion is more likely to cause for sexist thought
– One question does not determine all thoughts within an individual, especially not on a 1-4 scale
– France is not the entire world…Gaming, on the other hand, is a worldwide hobby, and as such people of different cultures and backgrounds are required to get an idea of the rest of the gaming population
– The hours played is incredibly low and have little relevance
– The article looks for confirmation bias and lacks objectivity
– The writers show a lack of understanding of the gaming culture and its history
– The question asked of the “gamers” appears to only cover sexism towards women
– It fails to define vital terms, which are in practice very subjective
– Despite using the ESA’s statistic on percentage of male to female gamers, it does not use their statistic that shows the average age of gamers being 35, which excludes, based on the numbers they are leaning towards, the majority of gamers. While these numbers are questionable in either case, consistency with what numbers they follow would help to make their point

bayonetta art

Personally, I’ve never played Bayonetta, however I do know how awesome of a character she is. (Source: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Bayonetta-171438691).

All in all, this is an academic study that cannot and should not be taken seriously. Originally, I was handed this article as being cited by a couple of websites such as the Huffington Post as linking video game usage and sexism, and ultimately decided to pull the misinformation from its roots. There have been countless studies done that are far better done than this study with much better numbers and variables that can make more accurate conclusions. Even so, the main issue is that the sample lacks a certain diversity that represents the gaming community and their methods of determining sexist thought is not satisfying enough to make a definite statement. The words they use and the lack of understanding of video games, along with making connections to video games and not more likely examples (like religion and socioeconomic status as their own numbers show), shows that they are after confirmation towards their own bias.

kingdom hearts aqua

Aqua is (imo) the best character in Kingdom Hearts. 13/10. (Source: http://www.deviantart.com/art/Master-Aqua-198456526)

In conclusion, this article, based on logic, reasoning, and its own numbers, cannot be taken seriously. The numbers and methods do not match up to come up with any conclusion drawn from this study, or what other websites such as the Huffington Post attempt to draw. The American Professor involved in this study is a man named Dr. Douglas A. Gentile, who has a history of writing about the connection between violence and video games, a long debated and disproved topic. Due to this information, I would approach this article with extreme caution.

Credit:
Robin Ek – Editor

Sources and resources:
Video Games Exposure and Sexism in a Representative Sample of Adolescents

***Disclaimer***
This is a personal opinion of the writer, and it doesn’t necessarily represent the other writers (nor The Gaming Ground´s) opinions.

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  • Nanya

    Jack Thompson would be proud. Anita and her ilk are carrying on his work.

    • Jay Shay

      Not for long if this is their argument.

  • Alistair

    1st time visit to this site, and already hated the article not because of the article writings but the consent beating of bullshit drum by leftists.

    Since when did “fictional characters” have rights what makes a sexist anyways.

    When you kills a NPCs in call of duty with-out consented to them makes it wrong.

    no it doesn’t, does it matter if often women in sexy outfits or sometimes nothing at all or barely can be strong or weak. No it shouldn’t.

    If the game does content real life suffering of real life women that uses real life footage.

    Then you got a case, but there not. So get your agenda fuelled politics out of games as it doesn’t matter.

    Edit: oh yeah I forgot common sense did play a big part with Australia board U-turn and unbanned outcry-2. Oh poor souls lefttists are hurting that they didn’t get their way.

    • Jay Shay

      You’ve pretty much hit the nail on the head.

    • J.j. Barrington

      … so are you hating this site and the article? Or are you hating the study the article finds fault with? Because you’re saying the same thing the author of the article is saying, in essence… but you’re saying you hate the article because it agrees with you?

      • Jay Shay

        Yeah I’ll be honest, I’m a little confused too. I don’t understand the point this post is trying to make. The way the comment is written, it sounds like it’s saying that I’m the one making the claim, when I’m the one trying to debunk the point.

      • Alistair

        I made my point clear, I’m not against the writings of the thread so of course I’m not against this site.

        I’m against the very study in the first place. I let this site know if I disagree with them or not.

        • J.j. Barrington

          “1st time visit to this site, and already hated the article not because of the article writings but the consent beating of bullshit drum by leftists.”

          Sounds like you’re accusing the article of supporting the study that was done, when that isn’t what the author does here. So while you do state that you’re against what the study claims, you word it to make it sound like you’re against the article because it supports the study.

          In short: no, you did NOT make your point clear.

          • Alistair

            The first line says it all “not because of the article writings” if I said this site I already hated then please come right back at me but I didn’t.

            You just cherry pick my rather vague post and twisted it.

            This be my last response first I wrote other posts on this site look at them, I totally agree with this site 100% if I ever hated this site I wouldn’t be rather vague.

            Second about the study there has been no proven evidence to say what is a connection of sexist in games as it just a art form.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Don’t use words you don’t understand. I didn’t cherrypick anything.

            “already hated the article” is what you said before what YOU just cherrypicked.

            And if even YOU are admitting the post was “rather vague,” then you already acknowledge that your point wasn’t clear.

  • Aenea

    Okay, so you debunked the article, still doesn’t prove if there is a link or not tho, so the title of this article is a little off…

    • J.j. Barrington

      There’s never been a link. The study, while saying the result was inconclusive, pretty well does try to claim that it should be there.

      • Aenea

        The study is bad but that doesn’t automatically mean one has proven the premise to be false. Not saying it’s true, just saying the title of this article is way too generic!

        • Jay Shay

          I’ll be honest, titles have never been an easy thing for me. I tried to write a title that conveyed the message without being needlessly complicated or whatever else is wrong could be wrong with it, but I guess in that I lost a little of it on the way.

        • Okay, so you debunked the article, still doesn’t prove if there is a link or not tho

          The study is bad but that doesn’t automatically mean one has proven the premise to be false.

          Why don’t you just drop the fence-sitting/neutral charade and admit that you personally feel there is “sexism” in games and you disagree with Justin Easler’s article?

          If you had any common sense, all you have to do is realize that in video games, the stories are fictional and the characters are fictional. They are computer-generated graphics which consist of polygons and pixels. Therefore, no real human woman is being harmed. That’s it, no sexism.

          Unless you’re one of those pillocks who believes in “muh realism”, “muh female representation” and gets triggered by Bayonetta’s rear end?

          The study is a complete abortion from start to finish and deserves to be burnt down.

          I can’t believe that developers and gamers now have to explain, justify and apologize for female characters who isn’t an obnoxious, irritating and non-sexy Mary Sue. Gender politics is cancer.

          • Aenea

            Wow, are you so anti-SJW that someone pointing out a flaw with the title is automatically an SJW???

            Also your whole idea of “it’s fictional, so it can’t be sexism” is ehmm, strange, movies, tv shows and books can contain sexism even though they are fictional as well, so the same goes for videogames…
            Besides, let’s be honest, anything can contain sexism, even videogames, the study, however, tried to prove a link between real life sexism and videogames.

            I agree tho that the study is crap, disproving this study still doesn’t automatically mean the whole idea has been debunked…

            I also don’t believe there is even a link to begin with (as in games are not causing people to become sexist), but to be fair it isn’t exactly helping to get rid of sexism if everyone keeps including it in our entertainment.

          • Anita Sarkeesian-Lite.

            Guess I was right about you in my first reply to you then. Does Bayonetta’s rear end trigger you that much? So much that you want it censored and banned so those “awful sexist and misogynistic” straight male gamers cannot get to enjoy it any more?

            Maybe one day you’ll understand the concept of free expression, capitalism, the free market, and the fact that no actual real-life human woman gets harmed in fictional books, TV shows, movies, video games, etc.

            Now go and make me a lasagna.

          • Aenea

            Seriously dude, you have some problems.

            No, I’m not an Anita-lite, I don’t care most of the time, I don’t want to censor things, certainly not nudity and have no idea why you keep mentioning Bayonetta as if I’ve mentioned it a few times or something. Never played the game, so have no experience with it.

            Fact remains tho, and you aren’t even denying it, that any medium can have sexism in there. You, apparently, think that’s okay, but makes me wonder though, do you mind racism in fiction? Or is that somehow different? Change needs to start somewhere but when people like you are still around it’s gonna be tough…

            Oh, and you can make your own damn lasagna.

          • Seriously dude, you have some problems.

            That’s rich coming from someone who believes that sexism is possible and is in every fictional material

            But okay, your opinion and I respect that

            No, I’m not an Anita-lite

            You think that sexism is possible in and is in every fictional medium. That’s exactly Saint Anita’s viewpoint as a culture critic. So based on that, you are and sound like an Anita-lite

            I don’t want to censor things

            Quote from you:

            “it isn’t exactly helping to get rid of sexism if everyone keeps including it in our entertainment.”

            Keywords: get rid

            And in my opinion, sexism does not exist in fictional material. So what you really mean is you want to get rid of anything you personally dislike

            Fact remains tho, and you aren’t even denying it, that any medium can have sexism in there.

            I have denied it, and I’ll repeat myself again:

            “If you had any common sense, all you have to do is realize that in video
            games, the stories are fictional and the characters are fictional. They
            are computer-generated graphics which consist of polygons and pixels.
            Therefore, no real human woman is being harmed. That’s it, no sexism.”

            “the fact that no actual real-life human woman gets harmed in fictional books, TV shows, movies, video games, etc.”

            You, apparently, think that’s okay

            No I don’t think sexism is okay

            But it does not exist in fictional material because the female characters within them are not real human beings, they’re computer-generated pixels and polygons in video games, and in TV shows and movies they are actresses following a script. Once they finish acting for the movie/TV Show they get paid extremely well

            The only people who think sexism is okay are SJWs and feminists who laugh at men’s suicide rates and forced genital mutilation, you know the serious issues

            Same with the SJW race-baiters who thinks it’s funny to insult and belittle Caucasian people, and then somehow claiming “muh non-white people can’t be racist”

            do you mind racism in fiction? Or is that somehow different?

            If that’s what the creator/artist wants to express then he/should be allowed to

            And I would be saying the same thing if a non-white creator wanted to portray all white people as evil, racist, murderous Nazis

            The material should not be censored

            Change needs to start somewhere but when people like you are still around it’s gonna be tough…

            My pleasure. It must be awful that people like me are getting in the way of bigoted idealogical authoritarians wanting to censor, butcher, restrict free expression, restrict creativity and ban material they dislike.

            What a nuisance we are eh?

          • Aenea

            Hahaha, okay… first off the “get rid” was about sexism in general.

            But whatever, you keep thinking that it’s not possible to be sexist or racist or whatever in fiction, I don’t care enough to waste any more time on you.

            All this because I only pointed out that the title was incorrect but am sure you didn’t even get why it is actually incorrect since you immediately jumped to conclusions with your whole anti-SJW BS….

          • Hahaha, okay… first off the “get rid” was about sexism in general.

            In my view, sexism does not exist in fictional material because no real human being is being harmed in real life. So what you really mean is you want to get rid of anything you personally dislike (whether that be a sexy female character in a bikini or a bunch of white characters beating up a black character)

            Anyway, it’s clear that we have contrasting views on this, so I hope someday in this culture war, both sides will be able to reach some sort of middle-ground that results in having material that caters to both sides with nothing being censored or banned

            I think in video games, a Safe Mode option (which filters out all the so-called “problematic”, “sexist”, and “racist” content) would be the best idea, as that way everyone wins. It was suggested years ago shortly after GamerGate begun, but SJWs/feminists did not like the idea at all, which just speaks volumes of the kind of people they really are

          • Aenea

            Sigh, you have a tendency to pull conclusions out of nowhere.

            Your notion of sexism/racism/etc. not existing in fictional material because the characters are fictional is a silly one.

            Me saying that it can happen does not mean I want to get rid of all the things I don’t like. I also don’t seem to like you very much but don’t want to get rid of you for example 😀
            All kidding aside, everyone can come across things in fiction they don’t like that doesn’t mean they want to get rid of them. But I do think that certain things in fiction can give people, especially people with weaker minds, the idea that in real life nothing needs to change. The more people see non sexist and non racist betrayals of people in fiction the more it will change people’s behaviour. I think that’s a good thing.

            I don’t mind sexist, or scantily clad men or women, or racist characters in fiction as long as it serves a purpose to the story, then it’s actual art. But when it doesn’t have a purpose for the story I think it’s just done to get some sales.

            Why would it be a bad thing to get rid of non-story related sexy women in games for example? Will that really affect your enjoyment of a game? After all they are just pixels on a screen, not real, don’t you rather see actual sexy women? There’s plenty of porn out there if you need your fix.

            Like with Nier Automata, 2B is rather scantily clad. She’s a strong character but why the need to make her sexy? That’s only done so it appeals to straight males. The game is still the same when she would’ve been dressed differently. Look, I’m a bisexual woman, she looks, ehmm, nice indeed, but it wouldn’t change my enjoyment of the game if she was dressed differently.

            Why are you and people like you so against changing that sort of thing? Just don’t like change, is that it? I just don’t get it, really I don’t…

            Then again you don’t think fiction can contain sexist/racist/etc. things…

          • Sigh, you have a tendency to pull conclusions out of nowhere.

            You mean like you pulling out the conclusion that a load of pixels and polygons is actual sexism and harms real life women? Saint Anita’s trademark “argument”

            Your notion of sexism/racism/etc. not existing in fictional material because the characters are fictional is a silly one.

            I think the fact that you think a load of pixels and polygons equates to real sexism is a silly one, again it’s Saint Anita’s main line

            Me saying that it can happen does not mean I want to get rid of all the things I don’t like.

            That’s not what the rest of your post implies

            But I do think that certain things in fiction can give people, especially people with weaker minds, the idea that in real life nothing needs to change. The more people see non sexist and non racist betrayals of people in fiction the more it will change people’s behaviour. I think that’s a good thing.

            Long-term studies have been done that shows video games do not cause sexist attitudes in real life, particularly the one in Germany

            Movies have existed for decades and Western society has turned out okay

            Western societies are the most equal between the two genders, in fact women actually have more rights than men in the Western societies (reproductive rights, etc.) and the law is biased in favour of women (law, divorce, child custody, etc.), but these are real serious issues that have nothing to do with fictional games so I’ll stop

            I don’t mind sexist, or scantily clad men or women, or racist characters in fiction as long as it serves a purpose to the story, then it’s actual art. But when it doesn’t have a purpose for the story I think it’s just done to get some sales.

            So that’s the “muh realism and story” argument

            Virtually every video game, movie, book, etc. has a story/plot element to it though, and most of them have nothing to do with sexual stuff alone

            So that’s really just a convenient excuse for you to censor sexy women. It’s one of the trademark excuses of feminists

            Why would it be a bad thing to get rid of non-story related sexy women in games for example? Will that really affect your enjoyment of a game? After all they are just pixels on a screen, not real, don’t you rather
            see actual sexy women? There’s plenty of porn out there if you need your fix.

            Different people, different tastes, different strokes for different folks

            Some people like to play video games AND see sexy female characters, and some people prefer computer-generated sexy female women because computer graphics technology is of such a high level now

            It’s genuine diversity of taste and preferences. You know, “diversity” and “inclusiveness”, the stuff SJWs and feminists always preach but NEVER practice?

            Try not to be an arbiter of preferences/taste. Again it’s what Saint Anita does

            I can also easily flip the script and ask you why a non-story related sexy woman triggers you so much, but then I think we all know why

            Like with Nier Automata, 2B is rather scantily clad. She’s a strong character but why the need to make her sexy?

            Because she’s a nice sight for people (both men AND women) who enjoy those kind of things

            Some people, especially straight males, enjoy that stuff and there’s nothing wrong with it

            What happened to your “diversity” and “inclusiveness” in gaming? Ohh… I get it, only the things YOU personally approve of can be “diverse” right? : )

            That’s only done so it appeals to straight males.

            So what if it appeals to straight males?

            What you said in your line really gives you away and exposes you for the SJW authoritarian you are. I would even class what you said as genuine sexism, because by saying that, you’re implying that there’s something wrong with things in video games that appeals to straight males, meaning that you don’t want it there

            God forbid straight male gamers actually enjoying themselves eh?

            Again, what happened to your “diversity” and “inclusiveness” in gaming? Everyone except straight male gamers right

            The game is still the same when she would’ve been dressed differently. Look, I’m a bisexual woman, she looks, ehmm, nice indeed, but it wouldn’t change my enjoyment of the game if she was dressed differently.

            You said it yourself, the game is the same and you would enjoy it no matter how she’s dressed

            Therefore, judging from what you said, the way she’s dressed NOW shouldn’t be a problem for you right?

            If 2B were to be censored/covered up, people should rightfully and justifiably get angry and speak up because it’s nothing but authoritarian censorship for an ideological agenda that’s being peddled and caused by the crybabies of the cancer that is Social Justice and feminism. It would be an absolutely pointless act of censorship because A) it does not change the story or the gameplay; and B) everyone with a brain knows it’s done to deprive straight male gamers of something they enjoy (classic SJW discrimination towards males) in order to erode male-orientated culture

            Why are you and people like you so against changing that sort of thing?

            Why are you and people like you so determined to police, govern, and be the authorities of harmless video games through censorship, banning, shaming and prohibition?

            Just don’t like change, is that it? I just don’t get it, really I don’t…

            Here’s my stance:

            I have no problems with SJWs/feminists making their own games and putting as much Social Justice or feminist garbage in it, in fact I encourage them to do so

            Also, I have no problems with SJWs/feminists inserting their own ideas into games as EXTRA material alongside the existing material

            I do however, have a problem when SJWs/feminists try to completely censor, change and replace existing material (i.e. sexy females or white characters) with their “ideal” females (basically obnoxious, irritating and non-sexy Mary Sues) and races, making the entire game into some feminist propaganda piece of shit. And that’s what you and people like you seem to be advocating for

            You people are not changing for the better. You are just authoritarians who just want to get rid of things you PERSONALLY dislike and eradicate any medium that appeals to straight men. And you damn well know it yourself

            Then again you don’t think fiction can contain sexist/racist/etc. things

            That’s correct, because it’s fiction, it’s not even real. No real life human being is being harmed or discriminated against. Meaning no sexism

            On the other side the coin though, people like you see sexism/racism in EVERYTHING, even the colour pink is sexist to your ilk

            Anita Sarkeesian and the feminist’s “argument” basically completely rests on the belief that when boys/men see a sexy woman in a bikini in a fictional medium, it will turn all of them into sexists/rapists/misogynists and make them view all women as sex objects. They use this to play the “victim” act in order to garner sympathy from the public and use it to push censorship, and to further demonize boys/men and erode male-orientated culture. That’s their game in a nutshell. It’s the most absurd and retarded “argument” I’ve ever seen because going by their logic, then any boy/man who has played Dead Or Alive 5 must be a “sexist misogynistic rapist”

          • Aenea

            It’s saddening that you think western culture is sexism free and “doing ok”, it’s even worse that you believe there can’t be sexist fictional characters, it boggles the mind.

            You just can’t seem to read either, I never said that videogames can make people sexist, I said multiple times that seeing sexist movies/videogames/whatever will not help changing minds of people who are already sexist which you are proving is desperately needed…

            And again, if someone tells you that they think it’s a good idea to include certain things less in fiction it doesn’t automatically mean that everything they don’t like needs to be removed. You’re way too black and white, grow up, open your mind, talk to women that you’re close to and ask how they think about things and get your angry arse of the soapbox…

          • All you’re doing now is trying to character assassinate me with ad hominems that’s not even true of me, I think that speaks for itself

            Anyway, we’ll have to agree to disagree and end it there

            Hopefully one day we will both find a solution to it all regarding the issue of censorship and “sexism” in video games

            In my opinion, it can all be easily solved by implementing a ‘Safe Mode’ option
            in a game that censors out the “problematic” content (tits, boobs, violence, gore, dialogue, swearing etc.), SJWs can play the Safe Mode and the rest of us normal folk can play the full uncensored mode. I hope to see something like this, because everyone wins this way

          • Aenea

            > All you’re doing now is trying to character assassinate me with ad hominems that’s not even true of me, I think that speaks for itself

            You mean the same stuff you’ve been doing much more clearly? 😉

            > In my opinion, it can all be easily solved by implementing a ‘Safe Mode’ option

            No, that’s not a solution, and if you think about it you would understand, I don’t get why you don’t see that.

            Sexist behaviour is coming from somewhere, people are not born with it, videogames or fiction in general alone do not make people sexist, but seeing it everywhere, seeing others do it in real life (friends, family, etc.), seeing that it’s apparently acceptable, that it’s normal, and then seeing it in all the media, that all combined can indeed make someone sexist (or racist, etc.). Removing some ways where people can see that behaviour is a start, not a solution to end all and still including it with an ‘uncensored mode’ is not going to create that change…

            But am sure you will find some way to twist it around somehow…

            Sigh, you know what, let’s indeed agree to disagree and I hope that someday you will see my viewpoint or that at least your daughter and daughter’s daughter can live in a world with less sexism…

          • No, that’s not a solution, and if you think about it you would understand, I don’t get why you don’t see that.

            Sexist behaviour is coming from somewhere, people are not born with it,
            videogames or fiction in general alone do not make people sexist, but
            seeing it everywhere, seeing others do it in real life (friends, family, etc.), seeing that it’s apparently acceptable, that it’s normal, and then seeing it in all the media, that all combined can indeed make someone sexist (or racist, etc.). Removing some ways where people can see that behaviour is a start, not a solution to end all and still including it with an ‘uncensored mode’ is not going to create that change…

            But am sure you will find some way to twist it around somehow…

            Ahahaha

            I don’t need to twist anything, because what you’ve said about my Safe Mode idea has proved that you are nothing but an intolerant authoritarian bigot

            It’s virtually the exact same response I get from SJWs and feminists when I suggest this idea

            I knew that would expose you for the ideologue you are, as I suspected from the very start

            I’ll pick up my trophy now, goodbye : )

          • Aenea

            Hahaha, you think you’ve won something huh? It’s incredible that you really not seem to get it at all. Of course anyone replying to it is going to say what I just did, it’s a stupid idea and wouldn’t solve anything. You think people who reply to it want to censor things, want to not see certain things, no, they want people and society to change and with your idea that’s not going to work. It baffles me that you don’t see it.

            Which, incidentally, is indeed the response I expected you to give, why I even wondered if I should bother replying, and also shows how ignorant you are, but also shows you’re a sexist and don’t want things to change.

            It’s also funny BTW, your ‘opinion’ is one that has been the same for a long time thru the ages, your ‘opinion’ is not the different one, mine is, which makes you the bigot. And since you like to dictate what everyone should accept, well, that makes the picture complete, doesn’t it? It’s always the things you do yourself that you hate about others the most……

            Good luck with life, I do wish somehow something happens that will make you think differently about this subject one day…

          • In this discussion I have already stated that:

            1) I’m the one who wants, has advocated for and encourages for SJWs/feminists making their own games and putting as much Social Justice or feminist stuff in as they like

            2) I’m the one who has no problems with SJWs/feminists inserting their own ideas/ideals into video games as EXTRA material alongside the existing material

            3) I’m the one who has suggested and in favour of the ‘Safe Mode’ idea in video games

            All 3 above would result in BOTH sides being catered to and getting what they want, therefore that makes me the one in favour of choice, inclusivity, diversity, freedom, and freedom of expression/creativity

            YOU’RE the one against all those ideas, which means that you’re the one trying to dictate what video games should be and what everyone should accept

            Therefore that makes YOU the bigot, and the fact that you target, single out and imply that you have a problem with material that “appeals to straight male gamers” makes YOU the sexist

            My trophy is already in the cabinet and engraved with my name on it ; )

            I wish you all the best anyway

          • Aenea

            Sure buddy, sure… It really baffles me that you really don’t seem to get it…. Ah well, wasted time which would’ve been better spent playing a game…

      • Well of course. Since when did SJWs/feminists refrain from letting their own personal agendas get in the way of facts, reason, logic and common sense?

        • J.j. Barrington

          Well, back before they went overboard, reason could still get through to them.

          • So that’s about 30 years ago then.

          • J.j. Barrington

            Give or take a decade or so.

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