***Update 3 – 2016-01-29 – 02:00 CET***

It seems like the censorship part lives on with “Fire Emblem: Fates”, because earlier today we received the following comment from British_Otaku (he or she is a Siliconera mod):

Kotaku lied Sorry but I don’t trust random GameFAQs users more than Kotaku and Nathan Grayson. Same goes for NeoGAF.

Siliconera (mentioning them as I moderate there) threw up three reports about cuts and changes recently. One had a NintendoEverything person ask about gay conversion in an email, the second had a Siliconera staff member ask Nintendo for clarification about the former and gay relationships in general (we broke the Rhajat news) and the third is based on Kotaku asking Nintendo for info.

Are Kotaku dodgy at times, sure, but unable to email Nintendo contacts and provide an answer If you don’t trust them, you may as well assume the other two articles are possibly false since they aren’t recorded for us to directly see.

I’m not just saying this because I think Kotaku did no less than other sources, but also because an IGN staff member stated that the petting was gone in the comments here. He (Jotero -Moderator) appears to have a press copy already.

httpuk.ign.comvideos20160126fire-emblem-fates-love-honor-and-relationships

The exclamation mark What if the events in My Room were changed (wouldn’t be the first Nintendo localisation to change interactive content completely – Pokemon and Voltorb Flip). Or if it was a video from an early build of the localisation, forget screenshots we need direct links and sources.

Sorry for only commenting on the most recent update. Just felt that more investigation may be needed.” – British_Otaku, Siliconera mod

In other words, it seems like the US version of “Fire Emblem: Fates” doesn´t have the petting mini-game. That´s at least what the US IGN mod Jotero (whom´s also said to have a press copy of “Fire Emblem: Fates”) stated on IGN´s “Fire Emblem Fates: Love, Honor, and Relationships” video:

jotero ign mod

In other words, the UK version doesn´t seem to have the petting mini-game.

However, some questions do still remain unanswered. 1. Did Kotaku know for sure that the petting mini-game were removed? Or did they just take a guess that it would indeed be removed from the Western version of “Fire Emblem: Fates”? And 2. Does the EU (PAL) version include (or not include) the petting mini-game? At this time we don´t know for sure. So I´m trying to figure out what´s true, and what´s not true about the Western release of “Fire Emblem: Fates” (I´m seeking an official statement from Nintendo). So right at this very moment, I´m waiting for the final word from Nintendo. I´m sorry for the confusion that I might have caused you.

Source:
IGN US

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***Update 2 – 2016-01-28 – 19:00 CET***

I have known for quite sometime that you cannot trust Kotaku with anything. Even so, I still have to admit that I thought that there was some “tiny” truth to their article about Nintendo, and their decision to remove petting mini-game from “Fire Emblem Fates”. Well, as it all turns out. None of it was true. You see. Kotaku made everything up to get clicks. And that became publicly known thanks to the users over at Gamefaqs, who called Kotaku out on their lies, or to be exact. They proved Nathan Greyson (writer for Kotaku) to be full of nonsense:

“TLDR: Nintendo came up to me after the event and told me, and only me about skinship getting removed….yeah okay”HayashiTakara, gamefaqs user

“And now we know for a fact that it’s BS.”Mavitar, gamefaqs user

kotaku lied about fire emblem fates

Kotaku has once again been caught lying.

fire emblem fates censorship deconfirmed part 1

Yes, you can still pet your waifu/husband in “Fire Emblem: Fates”

fire emblem fates censorship deconfirmed part 2

Lesson well learned, trust nothing that´s written by Kotaku.

So there you have it, Kotaku has once again lied to earn themselves some easy clicks. And this makes me wonder what Nintendo thinks about Kotaku at this very moment? Since they “might” have caused them some financial losses (canceled pre-orders)…

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Source:
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***Update 1 – 2016-01-28 – 15:44 CET***

It appears as if Nintendo´s thoughts about censoring homosexual relationships in “Fire Emblem Fates” were just a rumor. However, it remains to be seen whether the petting mini-game will be removed from the Western version of the game or not. As the only source that states this to be true is Kotaku´s Nathan Greyson and his insider. So we can just hope that Nintendo has come to their senses, because most of us have no desire to pay for a censored and toned-down version of “Fire Emblem Fates”. Speaking of censorship a Twitter user called WildMagic has put together a complete list over the changes that´s been done in the English edition of FEF.

And that´s all there is to this matter, at least for now. So what do you guys and girls think? Will you still gamble and pick up the US (or PAL) version of “Fire Emblem Fates” on release in February? Or will you import the game? Or perhaps you will turn down the game completely? Let us know your thoughts!

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Fire Emblem Fates Changes
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Here we again, ffs Nintendo!

There seems to be no end to Nintendo´s censorship madness in “Fire Emblem Fates”. In the matter of fact, Nintendo keeps on adding more gasoline to the fire by removing the petting mini-game feature from the Western version of “Fire Emblem Fates” (FEF is set for a release in North America on the 19th of February  this year). Yes, that´s correct. Nintendo confirmed that yesterday:

“Yes, that is the case. You might have heard somewhat misinterpreted or exaggerated information about the Japanese original game, but even in the Japanese original version, we have not included any features which are considered inappropriate in Japan.” – Nintendo, via kotaku

Don´t hold your breath though, because it´s just about to get even worse. And why is that? Well, this is what Nintendo had to say about the changes that have been done to “Fire Emblem Fates” due to Western Localization:

“Making changes is not unusual when we localize games, and we have indeed made changes in these games. When we localize a game we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view.”

“In the Conquest edition a male main character created by the gamer can pair up with another male character (Niles) which ultimately leads to marriage. Similarly, in the Birthright edition, a female main character created by the gamer can pair up with and eventually marry another female character (Rhajat). Like married couples of the opposite gender, these same-sex couples enjoy the stat boosts that come with marriage, which means when they are paired up in battle they are stronger than when they are apart or paired up with another character.”

“In the third edition, Revelation, that will be released as DLC in the eShop on March 10, a same-sex marriage is possible regardless of the sex of your main character, as both Niles and Rhajat can be encountered in this edition.”Nintendo, via kotaku

fire emblem fates petting

Is there anything that won´t get censored nowadays?

And it seems like Nintendo will censor the homosexual parts in “Fire Emblem Fates” as well, In other words. There will be no petting, no homo-erotic scenes and toned-down nudity in the Western edition of FEF. Well done Nintendo, I guess that you have really deserved the SJW badge of honor now? Seriously though. Why should the West get a kiddie version of “Fire Emblem Fates”, while the Japanese market gets the full and uncensored game? That´s not alright, in my opinion. And why should we pay the full price for FEF when we don´t even get the same features as the Japanese gamers get?

oliver campbell fire emblem fates

I guess that someone will have to censor porn, nudity, movies and tv-shows as well then?

fire emblem fates petting

I guess that logic isn´t Nintendo´s best attribute.

You know. It’s no wonder why Gamers in the West are really mad right now. Especially since Nintendo keeps on censoring their games like there is no tomorrow, and ironically enough. This has made the Western Gaming community so angry that some people have either canceled their pre-order of Fire Emblem Fates, or just skipped to buy the game entirely. Hell, some Gamers are even planing to import the game for Japan, or download FEF illegally. And as you might know by now, the 3DS is region-locked. So that means that you have to unlock your console in-order to play Japanese 3DS imports (or any other 3DS imports for that matter). And here´s the thing, if it weren´t for the region-lock it would be much easier for fans to translate “Fire Emblem Fates” from Japanese to English. In other words, people would then be able to buy and enjoy the uncensored Japanese version of FEF with no fuss.

fire emblem fates censorship

So, nudity and petting characters in video games aren’t allowed in the West now?

fire emblem fates region lock

People are getting pretty fed up with Nintendo´s censorship.

So it seems like Nintendo is leaving us (Gamers in the West) with very few options when it comes to avoiding censorship in Western localizations of their games. And personally, I still don´t get why big companies such as Nintendo is bending over for the SJW movement? I mean, what are they so afraid of? Grow some balls Nintendo, and get your game together.

nobody is going to take your games away

Well, we all know how well that went in the end.

Nobody is going to take your games away, bullshit! Aka “Western localization problems from hell”

Sadly enough though, it´s not just Nintendo that has been censoring (or toning down) their games (self-censorship due to forced censorship, in one way or another). We could add Capcom´s “Street Fighter V” and Team Ninja´s “Dead or Alive Xtreme 3” (DOAX3 won´t be released in the West thanks to the SJWs) to the censorship list as well. And not so long ago the French government even tried to roll out a law which targeted “Sexist video games”. Thankfully enough though, the proposed law got withdrawn just recently. Even so, it´s quite clear that censorship is heating up even more in the games industry as of lately. In a way, it´s like we´re back in the early 90s again (the Mortal Kombat trails and so on). And I have a feeling that the censorship will become even worse in the future, IF we don´t do something about it. So buckle up people, because it´s going to be a rough ride!

sexist video games in france

Luckily enough for the French Gamers, the law didn´t get approved. Even so. It’s still quite alarming that the French government tried to pull of such a law in the first place.

Well, you all know what I feel and think about censorship by now (I don´t like it at all). However, there are actually those who like censorship. In fact, they embrace Nintendo´s decision to censor “Fire Emblem Fates” Some people are even asking for more censorship as well, like some of the users over at NeoGaf for example:

neogaf original

Since when is it creepy to pet video game characters? In the matter of fact, that´s been done in quite a few Pokémon games in the past. So what´s the big deal really?

Sure, people are free to have their own opinions. However, why should a loud minority (SJWs and PC-bros) be able to control what the large masses get to see and hear? And why couldn´t Nintendo simply add an on and off switch for the adult features in “Fire Emblem Fates”? (with an adult lock or something like that). I mean, that would be a win-win situation for everyone. I also think that developers and publishers need to grow some balls, because the SJWs are used to getting what they want. And that is something that must be put to an end as soon as possible.

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I hardly doubt it, since 2016 has already started off really badly on that front.

As they are a threat to creative freedom and freedom of speech. There is still hope though, just take that one time when Huniepot, Play-Asia and the Gaming community stood up against the SJW mob last year (it was freaking beautiful to watch it all unfold live). So “hopefully” we will see less censorship and fewer reviews, articles and rants that contains words such as “gross”, “creepy”, “problematic”, “toxic”, “literally”, “triggering” and “offending” in the future.

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  • King of Zeroes

    I don’t pay for movies. I get them all for free. I do this because I have zero faith in Hollywood. I don’t trust them not to be a waste of my time and money.

    I have never pirated a video game.

    That is about to change. And it’s going to change for the gaming company that I’ve been a fanboy of since early childhood. My first console was an NES. I’ve owned every Nintendo console since, save for variations of the Gameboy.

    I will be pirating a fan translation of Fire Emblem Fates. And unless Nintendo stops trying to rip me off, I will keep pirating their games into the foreseeable future.

    • Import the Japanese version. The folks who *made* FE:Fates deserve your money. It’s only the people who ruined it for everyone else that don’t.

      • King of Zeroes

        I would, but region locking. I’m not strapped for cash, but that’s in part BECAUSE I don’t throw it into the fire.

        • There are hacks for the 3DS to remove region locking, but if your firmware is already 10.4 or newer you wouldn’t be able to apply the hacks.

    • Hollywood? Ptt! I stick to Asian and Latin movies myself. I used to pirate games as a teen (I did that for a very short period of time), but I stop doing that when saw how hard devs and publishers worked. I understand where you´re coming from man. I would recommend you to follow Chris advice. In short, import the Japanese version. It´s not the devs fault that Nintendo has gone full SJW retards.

  • David

    I will say that I’m disappointed that the game is getting censored and censorship is getting worse by the month it seems, is it, however, enough to drive me away from buying Fates? I don’t agree with Nintendo and other companies when it comes to this sort of censorship (especially when both the developers and the audience that whine about a lack of it need to realize that we live in a more complicated world outside of theirs) but at the same time I don’t want to disregard a game that I can at least enjoy playing despite the censorship. I suppose what I’m trying to say is that I support the game/series but I don’t support the opinions or actions that the company have made (in this case censorship). Even if the game is censored I still would like to grab a copy for my personal enjoyment with what’s left of it.

    • It´s crazy man. I think I forgot to mention that it seems like Nintendo has also censored (removed?) some dialogs from the game as well. Of course, it´s not the devs fault. So I feel ya mate. And all of this also made me think about what would happen if I ever got the chance to work on my dream game (Blood)? I would probably have to reach out to Denver Digital for publishing rights (they are way cool people imo).

  • Philip Weigel

    I’ve already boycotted the game.

    I hate to say it, but I hope that Fire Emblem Fates fails in the West. I really do.

    If Fire Emblem fans get pissy about it, they can scream at Nintendo for censoring the game and causing the rest of us to take our money elsewhere.

    • Well, I won´t buy it. That´s for sure. You know, if I ever get around and start my own game studio. I won´t EVER doing something stupid such as this. I will create what I want to create, and if the SJWs can´t deal with it. Fu** em.

      • Raiden

        I’m heartbroken. I really wanted to play the game too. I put 50 dollars in digital cash on my account so I could buy the game at launch.

        But now I can’t, and I can’t get my 50 dollars back.

  • Philip Weigel

    I think there’s one thing that we’ve over-looked regarding this.

    The censorship and changes that we’ve seen so far are only what we know…

    What OTHER censorship and changes will be done to Fire Emblem Fates that we don’t know of yet? How much more will get removed?

    Heck, by the time it’s done, it might just be no different than Shadow Dragon in that regard. While I liked that game, it was a standard Strategy RPG, nothing fancy.

    So, what about here? Will there be other changes that we don’t know about that are on the way?

    • There will be more changes for sure, just look at Capcom´s “Street Fighter V” (I know the truth behind the censorship in the West. They will censor far more stuff in the future with no doubt). It´s all about taking a stand, and there is more to this than just games. There are a lot of politics and agendas in this as well. We have to wait and see. I think Nintendo needs to get their game together though, or else they’re going to lose both fans and money.

      • Philip Weigel

        Turns out that we may have jumped the gun though.

        Seems the ONLY source is Nathan Greyson and his “insider”.

        An email has come out stating that Nintendo has not confirmed whether or not the petting mini-game is being removed one way or the other.

        There’s still hope that this won’t happen.

    • Nintendo Sweden just gave me this:

      “Making changes when bringing games to the West is a common part of the localisation process for many companies, including Nintendo, and we have indeed made some changes to these games. However, there are no content differences between the North American and European versions of the games: they are identical in terms of game content.

      In the version of the game that ships in the North America and Europe, there is no expression which might be considered as gay conversion or drugging that occurs between characters. Additionally, a touch screen minigame in the game’s My Castle area is also not included in the North American and European versions.

      When we localise a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view.”.

      • Philip Weigel

        Yeah, not “censorship” huh?

        • From what I can tell (based on the most-recent comments on the matter), it seems like Nintendo has censored quite a lot of stuff in the Western version of the game…

  • British_Otaku

    Kotaku lied? Sorry but I don’t trust random GameFAQs users more than Kotaku and Nathan Grayson. Same goes for NeoGAF.

    Siliconera (mentioning them as I moderate there) threw up three reports about cuts and changes recently. One had a NintendoEverything person ask about gay conversion in an email, the second had a Siliconera staff member ask Nintendo for clarification about the former and gay relationships in general (we broke the Rhajat news) and the third is based on Kotaku asking Nintendo for info.

    Are Kotaku dodgy at times, sure, but unable to email Nintendo contacts and provide an answer? If you don’t trust them, you may as well assume the other two articles are possibly false since they aren’t recorded for us to directly see.

    I’m not just saying this because I think Kotaku did no less than other sources, but also because an IGN staff member stated that the petting was gone in the comments here. He (Jotero -Moderator) appears to have a press copy already.

    http://uk.ign.com/videos/2016/01/26/fire-emblem-fates-love-honor-and-relationships

    The exclamation mark? What if the events in My Room were changed (wouldn’t be the first Nintendo localisation to change interactive content completely – Pokemon and Voltorb Flip). Or if it was a video from an early build of the localisation, forget screenshots we need direct links and sources.

    Sorry for only commenting on the most recent update. Just felt that more investigation may be needed.

    • I updated the post some days ago, I also spoke to a PR person from Nintendo Sweden. And they have not been told what´s been removed from the PAL version of “Fire Emblem Fates”. So the whole thing is a damn mess imo…

      • British_Otaku

        Woah, thanks for the update. It has really been a wild ride in general and over the last few days (you obviously know about Kotaku asking abother Nintendo rep). Glad you reached out to a non-English speaking branch, we tend to forget them even if that answer isn’t conclusive.

        Not sure I’m worthy of being called a source but Siliconera moderator does make me sound informed. I am given having a moderating thousands of comments about this game there even in the last month, they spotted the talking points in the second and third updates. I wish you let me know I’d be quoted then I might have polished my post a bit.

        • No kidding, I even got in contact with Nintendo Sweden about this matter…Exactly my thought. Well, this is what they gave me

          “Making changes when bringing games to the West is a common part of the localisation process for many companies, including Nintendo, and we have indeed made some changes to these games. However, there are no content differences between the North American and European versions of the games: they are identical in terms of game content.

          In the version of the game that ships in the North America and Europe, there is no expression which might be considered as gay conversion or drugging that occurs between characters. Additionally, a touch screen minigame in the game’s My Castle area is also not included in the North American and European versions.

          When we localise a game, we do so in order to make it appropriate for that particular territory. All our choices were made from that point of view.”.

          And as far as I know, the US and EU version seems to lack the patting mini game. I understand. Well, I´m going to wait for the user reviews to drop in. As I would like to know if the EU and US version of FFE don´t differ in content.

  • Philip Weigel

    Figures that Kotaku would lie to all of us.

    Still, my boycott stands until I get 100% confirmation. I want to know after launch what’s been changed for sure.

  • Kaboom

    … Okay… I’m going to give this game three chances. Petting’s gone, that’s one. The marriage thing and the drug thing, those are one third because I either didn’t know or didn’t care much for (and the drug one is understandable, since it can be misinterpreted and end up with some really angry mothers who didn’t look at the rating system like they should’ve). So, it’s used 1 and 2/3 chance. If I find out anything that makes it go to three I don’t care if the game is God’s gift to the gaming world. I’m not touching it if it’s censored even worse than Awakening was.

    • How badly was Awakening censored exactly?

      • British_Otaku

        The most mentioned censorship for Awakening tends to be the beach DLC which adds a cloth to Tharja wearing a swimsuit in artwork, Lucina and Owain’s marriage (because cousins) being framed as a Companionship and some dialogue about Tharja’s boing bits in the American version being about her hair in Europe.

        More recently, there has been concern about how Henry was rewritten as a character and the implications of them rewriting others: http://amielleon.dreamwidth.org/213760.html

        Sadly, even 3 years after the localisation we don’t have thorough knowledge of the edits noted in one place especially since UK English had different changes in places (I could see French maybe bring uncut if different teams do everything). This may change with Fates since fan translations will expose differences immediately.

  • Q Mulative

    Street Fighter V is selling despite being censored.
    Lab Zero is still doing fine despite their game Skullgirls having been censored AFTER making all of its sales.

    The people making up articles against FE:F and railing against a supposed “censorship” in FE:F were never interested in TRPGs or Nintendo, never had a preorder to cancel, and are just watching you burn for their entertainment.

    I’ll buy Fire Emblem Fates, digitally if I can’t find one of those supposedly cancelled preorders, because even if it does get “censored” as they call it, if even 90% of its original content is missing, then guess what? What’s left over is still more and better content than every other TRPG being made these days.

    If the skinship turns out to have been left in, they would just change their complaint to say it is a “gross and creepy sister-touching simulator” before saying their preorder is cancelled.

    • For how much longer? There is a limit for everything. Yes, there have been plenty of supposed “censorship” cases as of lately. All made up indeed. That´s your choice, and people can do as they please. I´ll let the reviews speak for itself before I comment on that matter. Why would you even mention that in the first place? Most people just cancel their order, and that´s it.

      • Q Mulative

        I doubt any real orders were actually cancelled, otherwise, I’d be able to find a place to order my own copy of FE:F Special Edition at the standard price.

        Fire Emblem is one of the most highly regarded RPG series in the world. Like I said, the developers could literally cut out 90% of the content of a Fire Emblem game and still end up with a fantastic RPG by today’s standards.

        • It would be interesting to see some actual stats and numbers. I highly doubt that Nintendo would reveal those sales figures Vs cancellations though. Is that so?

  • Philip Weigel

    I don’t know what to believe anymore.

    • I got in touch with Nintendo Sweden some days ago. They have not been informed about what has been removed from the PAL version of “Fire Emblem: Fates”. So we´ll have to wait for the reviews and let´s play videos to show up…

      • Philip Weigel

        I think I’ll just wait until I see full reviews come out to know what’s going on.

        TBH, if the content is removed, I’m kind of hoping that Fates doesn’t sell well.

        I hate the thought, but it’s the only way to let Nintendo know that censorship isn’t okay.

        BTW, did you see that one video on Youtube? IGN talking about the NX and Fire Emblem Fates…

        They called it a “Non-troversy”

        • Sounds like a good idea to me, just to be on the safe side. Exactly, or else they will just keep on removing content from the Western release of their games. I think I must have missed out on that one. Which video would that be?

          • Philip Weigel

            Warning, long reply coming up.

            To be perfectly clear, I have no problem on some changes when it comes to localization.

            Names and ages change all the time when getting ported to America in anime/manga and video games. As does dialogue and words.

            Example of name – Trevor Belmont was originally named Ralph Belmont in Japan.

            Example of age – Edea Lee in Bravely Default was changed from 15 to 18 years old, which doesn’t bother me and makes sense considering the red mage side quest where she was under the mind control of the red mage who was 36.

            That stuff doesn’t bother me.

            I also don’t mind dialogue getting changed somewhat because sometimes, as I may have pointed out here before, what’s said in Japan doesn’t translate well over here, so things need to be changed somewhat.

            Plus sometimes the end results are hilarious.

            Example – “You Spoony Bard!” or Symphony of the Night’s original release on the PS1.

            Other things that don’t bother me with the changes are honorifics like “chan”, “san”, “kun”, “sama”, “dono”…

            Example – Washuu-chan in Japan, Little Washuu in America
            Example – Orochimaru-Sama, Tsunade-Sama, Jiraiya-Sama in Japan, Lord Orochimaru, Lady Tsunade, Master Jiraiya in English

            Sometimes the words are left alone because there’s nothing that works in its place.

            Example – Kaname in s-CRY-ed calls Kazuma “Kazu-kun” in both English and Japanese versions, because the dub had no way of replacing “kun” accurately.

            Another example – Mazoku in Slayers was dubbed into “Monster”. It makes sense since the literal translation of “Mazoku” means “Monster Race” in that context.

            Sometimes names get screwed up because the Japanese voice actors can’t keep what they’re saying straight.

            Example both Arf/Aruf/Alph and Raising/Raging Heart in Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha have their names pronounced differently by nearly everyone, leaving the dubbers scratching their heads and hoping for the best when they dubbed it.

            Although, even though it’s very, VERY rare, censorship can sometimes make things better…

            Haruka and Michiru in the Japanese version of Sailor Moon were lesbians, in the English dub, Amara and Michelle were cousins, but all the sub-text was left in, so it was even kinkier than it was in Japanese. XD

            As for the video in question…

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jkVQGJ8Zms – Go to the 52 minute mark, that’s about when they start talking about it.

        • British_Otaku

          A link to the IGN video about the Non-troversy?

  • finnewar

    Fire Emblem is dead to me!

    • To be fair, Fire Emblem is dead to a lot of people…

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